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Kayla's avatar

“My best guess is that they are pretty equally “motivated” to do work whether it seems important to an ultimate goal or not?”

I’m kinda like this, I think. Getting a thing done is satisfying, and while obviously I’d rather do meaningful work, getting meaningless work done feels good too. I don’t get bored easily.

And of course there are those days when I have to work 8 or 9 hours but don’t feel capable of doing really challenging work, and I’m glad relatively meaningless tasks are there for those days.

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There should be some kind of game which tracks your status and, as a function of it, other characters decide whether to respect you, reason with you, coöperate with you and be honest with you, or to bully you, mock you, gaslight you, bullshit you and defect on you. I mean, some besides real life.

> There’s a real way to do anything, and a fake way; we need to make sure we’re doing the real version.

Coöperate response – Of course.

Defect response – There’s no such thing as the truth [except when _I_ am interested in getting something done].

Optional embellishment – Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you believe in an objective truth [same exception], you’re a fascist or mentally ill.

> It is our job to do stuff that’s better than the societal mainstream.

CR – Of course.

DR – Oh, so you think you’re better than everyone else?

OE – Go tell ’em to their faces!

Another DR – Oh, how funny, a loser who thinks it’s their job to actually do their job. I’ll be extra lazy and obnoxious, letting them feel morally obligated to pull all the weight I’m dumping on them, act like I’m doing them a favor and use my advanced social skills to get everyone else to sympathize with me and to be mean to them, too.

> Pointless busywork is bad.

CR – Of course.

DR – Pointless busywork is good for you. [Note it says _you_, not _me_.] It teaches you discipline / shows restraint / keeps you from doing things I don’t like.

> If we’re doing something worthwhile, not literally _everyone_ will like it.

CR – Of course not.

DR – You’re so full of yourself! If you want my coöperation, first you have to show me you’ve gotten A’s approval, and B’s, and C’s.

OE – Go tell ’em all to their faces how incompetent you think they are!

> It’s important to have an honorable purpose; commercial purposes can be honorable.

CR – Of course.

DR – An honorable commercial purpose is a contradiction in terms. The honorable thing to do is to destroy the economy till we’re back to the Paleolithic and this discussion is forgotten.

Another DR – The honorable thing to do is to stay loyal to our tribe / our investors no matter what.

> Remember to include the outsiders (and all young people start out as outsiders).

CR – Yeah!

DR – What have they done to earn inclusion? We were here first.

Compromise – Let’s agree on how much they should be hazed before we give them a chance.

> What am I even saying?

CR – _(Keeps reading.)_

DR – Look: this rando doesn’t even know what they’re saying! Don’t listen to them!

OE – <Insert some gratuitous mental-health diagnosis here.>

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